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I consider Dr. Tess Lawrie one of the greatest heroes on the side of truth, science, integrity, and freedom, which is why I featured her and this amazing exchange with Hill in the first entry in my “Profiles in Courage” series (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/profiles-in-courage-dr-tess-lawrie).

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Tess is a gallant human. That other guy....lost his humanity.

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My question is why she waited months to let someone else publish this conversation. She could have gone straight to the press...

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The press, that’s funny.

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The press? Literally. Full court press to quash free will, free speech an freedom.

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So instead we got months of science? Great.

Do we have a video (or audio) of the conversation?

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Did you mean “silence” rather than “science”? In any case, my understanding is she did speak out about it; her story was just muted, like all other voices of dissent in this media blackout on the truth.

This video includes an excerpt of the Zoom call:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTR4I995zgk&feature=emb_imp_woyt

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Margaret, note the silence across the political spectrum. Mitch,Mitt,Pence,Graham,Shelby, Burr,Sasse,Cassidy,Issa,Murkowski,Collins,DeWine,Portman,Capito,Hutcheson,Conway,Stefanik,Rove, Kennedy,Theissen( I hate him), Guy Benson( I hate him), Trey Gowdy( I hate him),Barrasso, Thune,Haley,Ducey,Christie,Kilmeade,McDaniel,Azar,Paul Ryan… I hate them all.

And the crazies banning all abortion, spending all their effort on removing any access to the abortion pill that is so limited in efficacy… running to the Supreme Court screaming about medical and religious freedom have made matters even worse.

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A very, very short excerpt. Shame she didn't post the whole, unedited call.

Where did she speak out? Why isn't here anything on the BIRD website?

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Have you read “The Real Anthony Fauci”? He shares the entire transcript as well as describing her immediate followup efforts, including:

”At the conclusion of the January 14 BIRD conference, Dr. Lawrie delivered a monumental closing address that should be recorded among the most important speeches in the annals of medical history. Dr. Lawrie spoke out at considerable personal risk, since her livelihood and career largely rely on the very agencies she targeted for criticism.…

“Dr. Lawrie told the audience that the suppression of ivermectin was a signal that Pharma’s pervasive corruption had turned a medical cartel against patients and against humanity.…

”Dr. Lawrie called out the corruption of modern medicine by Big Pharma and other interests and attributed the barbaric suppression of IVM to the single-minded obsession with more profitable vaccines.…

“She hinted at Gates’ role in the suppression.…

“Finally, Dr. Lawrie suggested that physicians form a new World Health Organization that represents the interests of the people, not corporations and billionaires, a people-centered organization.”

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this just released -shows the zoom call between Dr Lawrie and Dr Hill. https://www.oraclefilms.com/alettertoandrewhill

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People were afraid of coming out with the truth that the government and media has been lying to the public. Many lost their jobs and access to government research for speaking against the corrupt CDC FDA Big Pharma. Most people trust the government and didn't want to believe they were lied to. Many lost their jobs for not being vaccinated by the poison clot-shot. And now the mid-terms are coming the Democrats all of a sudden end the pandemic.

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What country do you live in Neverland? The press is even more bought and paid for than the medical establishment. See the global Marxists are in control of the planet and for some odd reason most people refuse to acknowledge this fact. Hence going to the press is a waste of time, they only print what their masters allow, much like Dr. Hill.

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And yet here we are, talking about this.

But you don't care, do you. For you, it's just confirmation of what you want to believe.

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The full exchange is legitimate and in full. I have followed a link to the exchange and watched 5 minutes of it to confirm it was legit. I can't find the link now as it was months ago, but I'm sure if you email Tess she will happily link you to it. FYI, this is not just coming out now, Tess has been clear about this for a long time. It's hard to find the link online - like everything that contravenes the narrative - because Big Tech are complicit and they have been quite effective at hiding information. She can't just stick it on youtube or it gets removed immediately ofc. I'm pretty sure it was on Odysee or Rumble, but can't find it now. No idea if it was removed or my search terms are off. Just email her to confirm and get a link.

N.B If it wasn't true do you really think anyone would risk printing it a book knowing they would be immediately and obviously sued by Dr Hill?

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Feb 1, 2022·edited Feb 1, 2022

She can 'just stick it' on the BIRD website...

And as David Irving can tell you, suing someone for libel is difficult in the UK.

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It can be, but not so much when/if you print a false 'transcript' that paints someone out to be a mass murderer by their intentional and corrupt inaction. You can't possibly really believe it's just a lie and Dr Hill doesn't care about it enough to even deny it? You'll note that if you websearch to find Dr Hill refuting the conversation/book then you will find no public comment from him denying the veracity of the conversation... which you can watch in full if you can be bothered to email Tess. Honestly, sounds like you are performing some mental gymnastics born out of cognitive dissonance. It would be totally illogical for the conversation to be fabricated and you can quite easily prove to yourself whether it is or isn't with a simple (1 minute) email, so it sounds like you simply don't want it to be true and you are trying to find ways to remain incredulous because that's more comfortable for you. /shrug

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ah, well I've found a bit of it on youtube here: https://youtu.be/qcnBYMtZAjE?t=538

This is not the full recording I saw before, but should verify for any doubter that this is all true.

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This is where it gets strange - considering everything being said, Dr. Lawrie only posts a partial edited video? If she feels censored, why didn't she post anything on the BIRD webpage?

I know that you're convinced, but I would expect more from a person making such accusations.

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Just email her to ask for the link to the full zoom call. She's very responsive apparently. I did see much more than that clip months ago, so it has been up somewhere at some point. My bro-in-law emailed her to ask some questions and she got right back to him, so it's only a 5 min job to check that.

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When I read the full exchange between Drs Lawrie and Hill in RFK Jr’s Fauci book, my jaw dropped. It’s simply a matter of money and prestige, both of which Hill adeptly, but cowardly gauged were in jeopardy should he do the right thing. And so he is forever complicit in the deaths of untold thousands who would have benefited from ivermectin and early treatment. Unfortunately we seem to have an over abundance of Hill-types among us. That Dr Lawrie extracted a confession of research fraud in a recorded interview is astounding. She certainly could pursue a second career as a prosecutor.

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Hill sold his soul to the devil. Money was so much more important than human beings. There are evil, money hungry people around the world but this was pure and simple genocide by denying a known treatment.

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Hill will go to the trash can of history.

I wanted a Nuremberg 2.0.

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This catastrophe is so very far from having any precedent. Cannot wrap my mind around it.

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About as thorough of a takedown of these people as could be written. But what does it all mean? What should we take away from this sobering experience? Number one should be that the globalist/atheist cabal has no regard for human life .. including that of yours, your children, your spouse and anyone else your are about. These people are diabolical narcissists who should not have any influence or impact whatsoever on personal health decisions or your private medical care. A new generation of individuals have been woken up to the stark, cold reality that dark forces are always at work and we must work tirelessly to keep them in check. All of these people died needlessly, not only because of people like Mr. Hill & Mr. Gates, but the millions of soulless individuals throughout government & health care that allowed their scam to be manifested upon an unsuspecting public. They were only following orders.

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They are not atheists. : ""No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. (David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations)"

The Occult is The Spiritual Foundation of The United Nations. The Stage Is Set For The Coming One World Government Under One World Leader.

https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/the-occult-is-the-spiritual-foundation

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It is if they are all reading the book of Revelation, as the "elites/cabal", Soros, Schwab, Gates & others lead this world to what is to come. My heart hurts for all those who have dies so wrongly, for news/truths silenced, for those (especially our children) suffering so thru this. And you are right also...they do not care about others but their selfish/evil control. Wake up world please as these days are upon us & He wishea None to perish, Jesus truly is our only hope. God bless you.

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We're on the same page. In my book, a Satanist is just one flavor of denying the existence of your Creator and the sanctity of life. If there were grades of atheists, the Satanists would be the at the bottom of the intelligence scale.

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Hello from New Zealand. I am the editor of The BFD. May I have your permission Joyce to republish this article with full credit and a link back to your substack? sb@thebfd.co.nz

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Dr. Tess Lawrie pulled no punches, took no quarter in her relentless pursuit of the Truth. Legend!

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Dr Andrew Hill needs to be Tried for Fraud and Murder.

Dr Tess Lawrie is a Legend, and along with several others who have done so much Good, should be awarded the Nobel Prize or something new and conflicted, IF NP is in anyway conflicted.

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Dr. Lawrie's conversation leaves no question that Andrew Hill is a spineless worm, but had he held tough and published a favorable conclusion, I'm not sure much would have changed. Hill's professional career would certainly have been destroyed had he disobeyed his masters, but Fauci and the WHO ignored the BIRD Group and FLCCC meta-analyses, and they would have ignored Dr. Hill's as well.

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If he and several others had held tough it would have changed a lot because the narrative got its credibility from things like the conclusions in this paper, which they cited many times as evidence IVM didn't work. Could Dr Hill have altered history on his own? Maybe, maybe not. Was Dr Hill one of many who were used to steer the narrative and cause millions of deaths... undoubtedly. I think your logic is probably what he uses to sleep at night, but in reality it's not a cogent argument. No one is claiming the powers that be would have caved to Dr Hill, we are claiming that he and several others like him are the reason their narrative played so well and stuck. The reason it didn't stick perfectly and many of us got wise to what what happening was because of the likes of Lawrie. If Hill had stood strong then many more would have wised up and thousands more lives would have been saved. He deserves the death penalty, nothing less.

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That's the slippery slope to "if I don't do it, someone else will, so I may as well be the one to collect the millions..."

Wouldn't want to be in his shoes on Judgement Day. Just sayin'...

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thanks for that alt view...good to wonder...

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Tess Lawrie is an impeccable heroine and humanitarian. A woman of steel, yet so sweet natured. Ya gotta love her.

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God willing many more brave souls like Ms. Lawrie and Robert Kennedy Jr. will come forward and awaken the public to the strings that money has put on the public's health and safety by unscrupulous money lovers like Big Pharma, Fauci, this guy Hill and the Bill Gates and Melinda foundation.

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It is right there in the Doctors Hypocrite Oath:

Do no harm....to your own bank account.

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Jan 17, 2022·edited Jan 17, 2022

This conversation took place about a year ago. How is it that there has been no exposure of it until now? This is not just another mundane issue, and the seriousness of the accusations make it much more than political theatre. There is some big-time lying going on here. Just how much, and from whom? Hopefully this story will soon be fully developed, and the full truth of it all will be divulged. If Hill or Unitaid doesn't sue for slander, then that too tells us a lot, doesn't it?

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I heard about this a month or two ago, so it isn't just coming out now. Let's face it, there's no platform to get this info out on really. Short of Rogan inviting Tess on there was no way to get this out quickly and to the masses. I found out about it from a link in a darkhorse podcast comments section and it was to a video on Rumble with just a few thousand views.

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This has the power to change a lot of minds. Does anyone have a link to the recording?

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Found it. It’s at the 9 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcnBYMtZAjE

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Surprise, surprise. "This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated."

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It is sad knowing the wicked things that can be done for money and power. I’m a so called deplorable, but at least I am not evil.

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Excellent post. We can pray that legal action against Hill will succeed and he will suffer at least a small fraction of the pain he has inflicted on others. Hopefully his children will learn who their father really is, shun him, and he can get a glimpse of what it feels like to lose a child.

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Dr Hill is part of Fauci's income stream aka racketeering operation that has gone on for years, its a criminal interprise. If Fauci gets indicted finally, Hill will get indicted too because he is accepting the money which makes him part of the criminal enterprise/business. The RICO laws are not used enough and when they are, we will see many people like this in the WITSEC- witness protection program because they will become "informants " so they dont have to do the time or get a reduced sentence.

If he has integrity aka is a stand-up guy, he will put the proper conclusions on that paper!

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